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Rizingson
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:52 pm    Post subject: Added another Honda to the Herd! Reply with quote

Just got back home with another project, hopefully didn't get burned. The Elsinore 250 was quite high on my list for finding. After losing out on a nice low mileage example this spring. (mentioned in this post - http://www.vjmog.com/ftopicp-69200.html#69200) I got a second chance and didn't want to wait to pull the trigger. It came with a pile of spare wheels, tires forks etc. as well as another untitled parts bike with a few missing parts.
I found these at the Viking Chapter AMCA swap meet.

Here's a couple of shots of the pair once I got them unloaded back home.



The titled bike was nearly rust free and also dent free. Although it has some normal rock chips, but all in all a decent enough survivor that I'll have some fun with before I consider a restoration. I'm usually very careful to not damage anything on the way home, but when I was unloading it and leaning it against my leg so I could pop the tie down loose the side cover cracked from pressure on my leg. Embarassed Evil or Very Mad Of course its supposed to be made of plastic, but I've found out it really is made of unobtanium. Rolling Eyes


It's just a hair line crack in the side cover, so I may try to repair from the inside.



Mileage wasn't a low as my other find but not bad at 3647. Hopefully I can get it fired up and change that a bit! The parts bike has a better set of gauges, but shows 4400 miles.


Being it was a Minnesota bike, I thought why not put a year of manufacture plate from there on it. Besides the letter color matched the Daytona Orange stripe of the first year Elsinore.


The muffler looks like it needs to be DE-coked before I try to start it.


Not sure what the real purpose of the extra spark plug is for, as the parts bike just has a blank plug in the same hole.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice find, a true classic. I had the opportunity to ride one a few years ago and it was quite fun. I've seen a lot of discussions about the "extra" spark plug. Some say that it shouldn't be there, and some say that it was there so that you could swap over the plug wire if the first plug got fouled.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm texting this right now, so this this will be brief. Take that extra spark plug out .....not good. Use a blank plug or a compression release. Discussed in an old thread.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dorT500 wrote:
i'm texting this right now, so this this will be brief........


oooooh, he's texting now, pretty soon he'll be using twitter. Who said "you can't teach an old dog new tricks"? Wink Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice looking Elsie Lyle, very unusual to see one of those that's not been trashed from off road riding. I remember them being really peppy fun bikes. Might be the right tool for you to run down those ground hogs this summer!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great looking find!

I'm curious about the spare plug, too. I've read different things - but never that you should take it out! Just that it's either meant for a compression release or a blank plug. I've heard about the "spare plug" thing, too, and I owned a Kawasaki F7 (pre-cursor to the KE175) that had two plugs. But I read an argument that said if your mixture was such that you fouled one plug, it would by definition foul them both.

I'm interested to know why a spare plug "should NOT" be there. If you don't plan to use it AS a spare, why shouldn't it be there just to fill the space? Maybe it creates a hot spot in the combustion chamber? Maybe it's presence screws up any intended swirl or the like?

Anyway, nice find!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember the thread that dor was talking about. I think it was Stu that discussed why it shouldn't be there, but I don't remember what he said. I could search for the thread, but I'm too lazy, and besides dor loves to look for old threads.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

05c50 wrote:
dorT500 wrote:
i'm texting this right now, so this this will be brief........

oooooh, he's texting now, pretty soon he'll be using twitter. Who said "you can't teach an old dog new tricks"? Wink Laughing
Smile Yeah...right.....I wasn't near a computer and I still have a nagging feeling that text shouldn't have taken me fifteen minutes to tap out. Laughing Embarassed


I couldn't remember exactly what was said in that old thread either....I just wanted to weigh on the side of caution and I thought that thread would be a hassle to find. I was hoping just the keyword 'release' would work and luckily it was on the first page that popped up. To be more clear....it was if you put in a much hotter spare spark plug........ read on...

http://www.vjmog.com/ftopict-10078-release.html

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great find Rizingson. Brings back a memory. Many years ago, a friend of mine put an Elsinore 250 engine in a go cart. Shocked He loved it, even though it could be a little scary at times. Like I said....he loved it, but his neighbors and the local Police were not so inclined. Mad Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like I'll be removing that plug and putting in the blank from the parts bike. Thanks for researching it for me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rizingson wrote:
............ Thanks for researching it for me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have a service manual for it yet? If not, tomorrow I can post 7 pages of a Clymer manual via Ebscohost if you need them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for offering, I've just got all three factory manuals, (owners, parts and shop) so will be doing a little homework Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or... You put the identically spec'ed plugs into each hole and then get a two-wire coil from twin cylinder bike to fire 'em both at once. Friends of mine used to road race Ducati singles that used really high domed pistons and they installed a second spark plug. I had a 1983 Honda VT500FT twin (that's the flat track-styled model). It came from the factory with two spark plugs in each cylinder head and two, two-wire coils.

I thought that Honda was a great looking bike but it wasn't much fun to ride. Just a cruiser in different clothes. Odd steering geometry and awkward riding position. At least they pulled the pegs back.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a nice MT250 Elsinore back in the day. Unusually perhaps for it's time it suffered ,in my view, from the opposite problem of most of its competitors. The MT 250 had really good suspension and steering,and braked well enough, but the motor was in a very tame state of tune.I remember riding Kawasaki,Yamaha and Suzuki trail 250's where I felt they had engines that were better than their chassis. So when you were on smoothish going where the nimbleness of the bike was not such an advantage it struggled to run as hard as Suzuki's TS185. Perhaps that is not so unreasonable as the Suzuki felt considerably lighter. Just meant that when riding with mates on other two stroke 250's or 175-185 strokers I had to pick my places to try and race. Acceleration and top speed simply didn't do what my young and stupid ego wished at the time.
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